<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321</id><updated>2011-10-16T18:36:58.962-07:00</updated><category term='no human warming'/><category term='warming causes co2 rise not the other way round'/><category term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><category term='It&apos;s cosmic rays'/><category term='Models might be wrong'/><category term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><category term='political conspiracy'/><category term='imminent global cooling'/><category term='rate of co2 rise stopped in 1988'/><category term='it&apos;s all about money'/><category term='No water vapor feedback'/><category term='urban heat island'/><category term='Mars is warming'/><category term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><category term='warmer in the 1930s'/><category term='Ice age predicted in the 70s'/><category term='co2 rise is natural'/><category term='it&apos;s uncertain'/><category term='co2 is already saturated'/><category term='microsite biases'/><category term='No tropospheric warming'/><category term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><category term='low climate sensitivity'/><category term='Ocean acidification is of no concern'/><category term='scientific conspiracy'/><category term='greenhouse effect doesn&apos;t exist'/><category term='shouldnt be on the list'/><category term='It&apos;s the sun'/><title type='text'>650 List</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>35</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-3939867227243177468</id><published>2009-02-24T14:58:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-24T16:00:18.638-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Models might be wrong'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scientific conspiracy'/><title type='text'>Hendrik Tennekes</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, and an internationally recognized expert in atmospheric boundary layer processes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites a &lt;a href="http://climatesci.org/2007/01/31/a-personal-call-for-modesty-integrity-and-balance-by-henkrik-tennekes/"&gt;few&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://climatesci.org/2007/03/07/unlicensed-engineers-part-2-by-hendrik-tennekes/"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://climatesci.org/2007/02/28/unlicensed-engineers-part-1-by-hendrik-tennekes/"&gt;posts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Models might be wrong&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Climate modellers are incompetant&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scientific conspiracy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts human co2 induced warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"I am of the opinion that most scientists engaged in the design, development, and tuning of climate models are in fact software engineers. They are unlicensed, hence unqualified to sell their products to society."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"I agree with IPCC that there is a likely link between fossil fuel consumption and increased temperatures"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-3939867227243177468?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/3939867227243177468/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/hendrik-tennekes.html#comment-form' title='42 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3939867227243177468'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3939867227243177468'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/hendrik-tennekes.html' title='Hendrik Tennekes'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>42</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-3726981562582804521</id><published>2009-02-24T13:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-24T14:56:22.011-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='it&apos;s uncertain'/><title type='text'>Chris Schoneveld</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Dutch Geologist Dr. Chris Schoneveld, a retired exploration geophysicist, has become an outspoken skeptic regarding the human influence on climate over the past four years.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites a &lt;a href="http://comment%20to%20a%20media%20article%20p/"&gt;comment to a media article&lt;/a&gt; and there's also a &lt;a href="http://climatesci.org/2007/01/31/a-personal-call-for-modesty-integrity-and-balance-by-henkrik-tennekes/#comment-139408"&gt;blog comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He has a profile page here: &lt;a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/ChrisSchoneveld"&gt;http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/ChrisSchoneveld&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a long &lt;a href="http://web.me.com/chrisschoneveld/Global_Warming/Why_the_climate_change_message_has_so_much_appeal.html"&gt;message/letter&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm"&gt;Climate's changed before&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It's uncertain&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"There has never been a UN-organized conference on climate change where skeptics were invited for the sake of balance to present their case"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"As long as the causes of the many climate changes throughout the Earth's history are not well understood, one cannot unequivocally separate natural causes from possibly manmade ones."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Who are the geologists that the IPCC is relying on? Is the IPCC at all concerned about the frequency and recurrence of ice ages? Who are the astronomers that advise the IPCC on other cause of possible climate change (sun spots or earth’s elliptical orbit, tilt and wobble of its axis) so as to ascertain that we are not just experiencing a normal trend related to interglacial warming or variation in solar radiation?"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-3726981562582804521?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/3726981562582804521/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/chris-schoneveld.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3726981562582804521'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3726981562582804521'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/chris-schoneveld.html' title='Chris Schoneveld'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-702591374700327267</id><published>2009-02-22T14:59:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-22T16:35:50.796-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Classifying Arguments</title><content type='html'>To move towards classifying skeptics I thought to first try and categorize their arguments at a very high level, so looking at maybe half a dozen different groups that all arguments can be put into. A good example of grouping arguments can be seen in the structured heirarchy of &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html"&gt;Creationist Claims&lt;/a&gt;. Those are field based categories though, I want to group the fundamental argument types.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So far I have come up with a preliminary 5 groups:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Data Based&lt;/strong&gt;: "I am skeptical because of this simple fact...."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ignorance based Arguments&lt;/strong&gt;: "I am skeptical because we don't know enough"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theory Based&lt;/strong&gt;: "I am skeptical because I know of an equally good/better theory to explain it."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Political&lt;/strong&gt;: "I am skeptical because Al Gore flies in a private jet"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conspiracy&lt;/strong&gt;: "I am skeptical because they are in it for the taxes and grants"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;I'll update this in future as I think it can be improved, but here is some more detail and explaintions about these categories:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Data Based&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998 (literally true, but in context of climate, wrong)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions (literally true but irrelevant)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas (literally true but irrelevant)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Volcanoes emit more co2 than man (false)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;These are simple claims about basic data. It's pretty simple to check whether these are true or not. Usually such claims are at least literally true, but misleading in some way - ie strawmen, or omitting an important fact.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because these claims are so easy to verify, it is a real red flag when someone who should know better uses them as an argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ignorance based Arguments&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Climate is all chaotic and we don't understand it at all&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Uncertainty mentioned in IPCC reports, some paper, temperature records&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm"&gt;Models are unreliable&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The concept of global temperature is meaningless&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Usually made by people who stick to Political Arguments. The result of such arguments is that the arguer doesn't have to get into the science. They might argue that any theory of climate is as good as any other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theory based arguments&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;It's the Sun&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Imminent global cooling&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The greenhouse effect is a myth&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 was higher in the 40s [2]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;(insert personal climate theory)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;These arguments go beyond simple claims based on data. These are alternative theories contradicting the mainstream. They have to explain why they don't accept the mainstream theory. This often occurs in three ways:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;This has simply overturned the mainstream theory.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;An Ignorance based Argument: They claim that their theory is no less likely than the mainstream one because so little is known, etc.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A Conspiracy Argument: For example Ernst Beck who coined the "co2 was higher in the 40s" theory uses a Conspiracy Argument to explain the existance and acceptance of the mainstream theory.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note that the first and third cases are making positive assertions about how the climate works (or some aspect of it) and therefore they can no longer make Ignorance based Arguments in these areas. For example if they are going to claim "recent warming on earth is caused by the sun" as a fact they then can't turn around later and claim "The concept of global temperature is meaningless" without contradicting themselves.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Political Arguments&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Al Gore's house has a runway of Private Jets&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am skeptical because environmentalists don't live in mud huts&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;These arguments have no bearing on the science. I have distain for these arguments. I generally ignore them, but I include them as a group here because often these arguments are made by the same skeptics. As noted above these arguments are often made in conjunction with Ignorance based Arguments.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conspiracy based arguments&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Journal of Inactivism has an interesting &lt;a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/towards-a-genealogy-of-climate-conspiracy-theories/"&gt;genealogy of climate conspiracy theories&lt;/a&gt; which lists the various conspiracies used by skeptics to explain why manmade global warming is such a prominent theory. Highlights include:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the 80s we get "Mainstream scientists are soviet stooges", it's a "soviet plot" [1]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A "doctrine to replace marxism" [1]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scientists "artifically sustain debate" (ie "commit fraud") for funding and grants [1]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Politicians use it to increase taxes [1]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I've heard Margret Thatcher get blamed for it somewhere&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;I will probably revisit this list at some point and update it. Some arguments can be seperated out better and I might be missing some categories. Ideas/corrections are welcome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;References&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;[1] F. Bi. 2008. Towards a genealogy of climate conspiracy theories. Intl. J. Inact., 1:37–42&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;[2]E. Beck. 2007. 180 years of atmospheric CO2 gas analysis by chemical methods., Energy &amp;amp; Environment, Volume 18 No. 2 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-702591374700327267?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/702591374700327267/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/classifying-arguments.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/702591374700327267'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/702591374700327267'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/classifying-arguments.html' title='Classifying Arguments'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1984556505627706079</id><published>2009-02-22T14:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-22T14:58:46.386-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='it&apos;s uncertain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Philip Stott</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;br /&gt;List cites &lt;a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&amp;amp;ContentRecord_id=5AC1C0D6-802A-23AD-4A8C-EE5A888DFE7E"&gt;this EPW blog post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also &lt;a href="http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/A_Hot_Topic_Blog.html"&gt;has a blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://climate"&gt;climate's changed before&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We know very little about climate&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998 (although specifically he says "since at least 2001") &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quote&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"But, finally, we must return to basic science. Climate is the most complex, coupled, non-linear, semi-chaotic system known. The claim by UK MPs that they can manage climate predictably is the ultimate folie de grandeur. In such a system, both doing something (i.e., emitting gases) and not doing something (i.e., not emitting gases) at the margins are equally unpredictable as to outcomes." [&lt;a href="http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/Entries/2008/10/28_Sheep_Vote_To_Pull_The_Wool.html"&gt;ref&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"Interestingly, the world average surface temperature has now exhibited no ‘global warming’ since at least 2001" [&lt;a href="http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/Entries/2008/10/28_Sheep_Vote_To_Pull_The_Wool.html"&gt;ref&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;He argues mainly from politics, only occasionally wading into trying to justify his claims scientifically&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1984556505627706079?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1984556505627706079/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/philip-stott.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1984556505627706079'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1984556505627706079'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/philip-stott.html' title='Philip Stott'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-4502969426048426434</id><published>2009-02-22T13:47:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-22T14:38:35.956-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scientific conspiracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='co2 rise is natural'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ocean acidification is of no concern'/><title type='text'>Ernst-Georg Beck</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;German scientist Ernst-Georg Beck, a biologist, authored a February 2007 paper entitled 180 Years of Atmospheric C02 Analysis by Chemical Methods that found&lt;br /&gt;levels of atmospheric CO2 levels were not measured correctly&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A paper published to the Journal "Energy and Environment":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2_supp.htm"&gt;http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2_supp.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are also other statements made on the same website, eg:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/CO2-Dateien/CO2-no-climate-driver.pdf"&gt;http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/CO2-Dateien/CO2-no-climate-driver.pdf&lt;/a&gt; [ref1]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/CO2-Dateien/7-kern-PIKe.pdf"&gt;http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/CO2-Dateien/7-kern-PIKe.pdf&lt;/a&gt; [ref2]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Atmospheric co2 level was higher in the early 20th century&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ice core co2 histories are wrong&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scientific conspiracy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions (2)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ocean acidification is of no concern (3)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;There's a gold mine of claims on that site, just about every claim under the sun can be found.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the PDF above he compares co2 concentrations with temperature of antarctica over 200 years and concludes "there is no connection"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;(2) [ref2] "A reduction of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions by 1% means 26GT/year instead of about 29 GT CO2/year (= 3% of the whole natural CO2 emissions). The 26,7% are still negligible compared to the natural emissions of oceans and biomass."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;(3) [ref2] "A pH-range of sea water of 8,2-7,7 is a normal range and was still measured during the warm period since 1920 and 1930 [4]. A pH higher than 7 is still alkaline."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-4502969426048426434?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/4502969426048426434/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/ernst-georg-beck.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4502969426048426434'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4502969426048426434'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/ernst-georg-beck.html' title='Ernst-Georg Beck'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-8014213395983384110</id><published>2009-02-09T15:17:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T16:19:37.483-08:00</updated><title type='text'>"analysis" of list so far</title><content type='html'>About 24 entries have been added. It was decided that 5 of them shouldn't be on the list as they didn't show any convincing skepticism of manmade global warming.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That leaves 19. There are a number of issues with doing any meaningful analysis on this, including:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are only 19&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The 19 are not a random sample from the list.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are probably gaps where I didn't see an argument used&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;They are represented unequally. Some have whole websites full of arguments, some only a single short letter of arguments.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;This is the reason for quotes around "analysis" in the title. What follows is simply an interest/trivia look at an aspect of the entries so far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The top 5 arguments used by the 19 entries and the breakdown are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It's the sun (6)&lt;/strong&gt; Bob Breck, John L. Casey, Art Horn, Dr. Cal Evans, Mike Thompson, Richard Mourdock&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas (6)&lt;/strong&gt; Bob Breck, Dr. Martin Hertzberg, Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, Frank Britton, Art Horn, Dr. Cal Evans&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CO2 concentration is small (5)&lt;/strong&gt; Bob Breck, Dr. Martin Hertzberg, Hans Schreuder, Frank Britton, Dr. Cal Evans&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998 (5) &lt;/strong&gt;Bob Breck, Dr. Wilson Flood, Allan M.R. MacRae, Bill Steffen, Joseph Conklin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions (4) &lt;/strong&gt;Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, Frank Britton, Art Horn, Mike Thompson&lt;/p&gt;As #3 and #4 points out, the reason many of the same names are present is probably due to unequal representation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A relevant hypothesis I have held for a long time, not based on the above, is that whatever makes a person susceptible to believing one of the worst arguments (I consider the above to be some of the worst), they will be susceptible to all of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ie if a person is not skeptical of the "human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions" and readily believes it, then they will very likely also be taken in by the "water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas" argument. At least I see little reason why a person would believe one and not the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I suspect to see a pattern like the above where a person using one argument will tend to also be using the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Skepticalscience directly covers 4 of the 5 above arguments, with "CO2 concentration is small" covered in related topics. It is interesting that the worst arguments are perhaps the most popular, but perhaps this is explained by the simplicity of the arguments and the relatively few people who look into them in any detail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So a classification system for skeptics will probably contain a large group consisting of people that believe these type of arguments. There are many other skeptics who would distance themselves from such arguments and so would have to placed in different groups.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-8014213395983384110?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/8014213395983384110/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/sketchy-analysis-of-list-so-far.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8014213395983384110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8014213395983384110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/sketchy-analysis-of-list-so-far.html' title='&quot;analysis&quot; of list so far'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-6801964446234576996</id><published>2009-02-09T14:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T15:08:23.251-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='it&apos;s uncertain'/><title type='text'>Bruce Schwoegler</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Atmospheric scientist Bruce Schwoegler, former U.S. Navy meteorologist and Boston broadcast meteorologist, rejected man-made climate fears.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites a letter to the list creators.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"significant global warming is a concern"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"there is a likely relationship between human induced impacts and climate change"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It's all too complicated!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But has anyone truly ascertained the scope, depth and outcome in our planetary system which is rife with natural checks and balances? Quantifying them and resultant interactions remains mostly a game of my theory versus yours"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I added this one for variation. It is a position of 'we don't know enough to conclude anything'. This position is in contradiction of the position of skeptics who claim to know that warming is not due to greenhouse effect enhancement (such as the EPW he is writing to for example...). He also mentions significant global warming as a concern, at odds with skeptics who have the position that warming is beneficial (although this depends on what "significant" is).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;trivia: I hit my first duplicate just now. I almost started doing John L. Casey again, fortunately I got deja-vu just in time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-6801964446234576996?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/6801964446234576996/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/bruce-schwoegler.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6801964446234576996'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6801964446234576996'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/bruce-schwoegler.html' title='Bruce Schwoegler'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-4814826041048391275</id><published>2009-02-09T14:32:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T14:55:16.943-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ice age predicted in the 70s'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='it&apos;s all about money'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Bob Breck</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Chief Meteorologist Bob Breck of WVUE-TV&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No link for this one, the list cites a letter to the list creators.&lt;br /&gt;But I found a blogspot blog (join the family) of his:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobbreck.blogspot.com/"&gt;http://bobbreck.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Seems to contain more arguments than the letter, so most of the below are from the blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm"&gt;Ice age predicted in the 70s&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's the sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It's ocean cycles&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm"&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=11"&gt;Dr James Hansen predicted cooling in the 70s&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA321_1.html"&gt;They're in it for the money&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;CO2 concentration is small (from &lt;a href="http://bobbreck.blogspot.com/2008/12/fronts-keep-coming.html"&gt;http://bobbreck.blogspot.com/2008/12/fronts-keep-coming.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm"&gt;Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;There's probably more..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-4814826041048391275?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/4814826041048391275/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/bob-breck.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4814826041048391275'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4814826041048391275'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/bob-breck.html' title='Bob Breck'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-2424572452453587947</id><published>2009-02-09T14:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T14:20:10.601-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='low climate sensitivity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Dr. Wilson Flood</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Dr. Wilson Flood, of the Royal Society of Chemistry and a chemistry education&lt;br /&gt;consultant&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cites &lt;a href="http://www.rsc.org/Education/EiC/issues/2006May/endpoint.asp"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.theherald.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1500144.mostviewed.what_climate_change.php"&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm"&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 won't double by 2100&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;climate sensitivity is 0.18K/wm-2 (roughly calculated by dividing 33C by 150wm-2...I suspect the last figure is calculated by surface radiation minus outgoing radiation)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Of all the scientific disciplines, chemistry equips us best to grasp the essentials of the global warming debate"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-2424572452453587947?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/2424572452453587947/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-wilson-flood.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2424572452453587947'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2424572452453587947'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-wilson-flood.html' title='Dr. Wilson Flood'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1016251545491893300</id><published>2009-02-09T13:47:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T14:02:21.132-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Georgia D. Brown</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Geologist Georgia D. Brown, an instructor of Geology &amp;amp; Oceanography at College of&lt;br /&gt;Lake County in Illinois, who co-authored a 1993 peer-reviewed study on the CO2&lt;br /&gt;content in the magma from Kilauea Volcano in Hawaii in the prestigious journal&lt;br /&gt;American Mineralogist&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cites a &lt;a href="http://www.iceagenow.com/Geologist_Endorsement.htm"&gt;letter (?!) to a website&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Arguments" Condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I talk to my students about this topic every semester, not just when we are covering glacial geology, but at different points throughout the term. I want them to know that they shouldn't take every alarmist claim at face value. Fear is a means of controlling a population, and since the cold war has ended, the government needed new fuel for its control fire.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;yea sorry, but that's all the "argument" we get. A real scrape of the barrel. Disappointing. In fact it's not even clear if she is skeptical of manmade global warming. Read the letter and see for yourself.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Irony&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Anyway, keep up the great work! On my end, from here on out, I intend to make it an assignment for my students to visit your website."&lt;/p&gt;The website in question is iceagenow.com, you know the one titled:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Not by Fire but by Ice&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Discover What Killed the Dinosaurs . . . and Why it Could Soon Kill Us&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lets revisit part of Brown's argument:&lt;br /&gt;"I want them to know that they shouldn't take every alarmist claim at face value"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wow.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1016251545491893300?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1016251545491893300/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/geologist-georgia-d-brown.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1016251545491893300'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1016251545491893300'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/geologist-georgia-d-brown.html' title='Georgia D. Brown'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-6464495001778330893</id><published>2009-02-09T13:07:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T13:46:06.163-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Allan M.R. MacRae</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Professional Engineer Allan M.R. MacRae of Alberta, Canada, authored a scientific&lt;br /&gt;analysis critical of man-made global warming in 2008.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cites &lt;a href="http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/carbon_dioxide_in_not_the_primary_cause_of_global_warming_the_future_can_no/"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; and this &lt;a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm"&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;rate of co2 rise correlates with temperature on annual timescales, therefore co2 doesn't cause warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Since ~1945 when CO2 emissions accelerated, Earth experienced ~22 years of warming, and ~40 years of either cooling or absence of warming"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"In fact, strong evidence exists that disproves the IPCC's scientific position. The attached Excel spreadsheet ("CO2 vs T") shows that variations in atmospheric CO2 concentration lag (occur after) variations in Earth's Surface Temperature by ~9 months (Figures 2, 3 and 4). "&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-6464495001778330893?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/6464495001778330893/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/allan-mr-macrae.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6464495001778330893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6464495001778330893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/allan-mr-macrae.html' title='Allan M.R. MacRae'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1069808982407013060</id><published>2009-02-09T12:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T14:28:59.466-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Bill Steffen</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Meteorologist Bill Steffen of Grand Rapids, Michigan&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites his blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://blogs.woodtv.com/2008/11/11/global-temperature/"&gt;this entry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and another that no longer exists&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm"&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 is not the only factor. Volcanic eruptions effect climate.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;There's a UAH graph on the page, yet &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; the 1998 argument gets made&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1069808982407013060?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1069808982407013060/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/meteorologist-bill-steffen.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1069808982407013060'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1069808982407013060'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/meteorologist-bill-steffen.html' title='Bill Steffen'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-7088244711094748914</id><published>2009-02-04T15:38:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-04T17:39:38.609-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Summary to date</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;So far about 20 names have been added, only about 3% of the total list. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_4_Dead"&gt;I was distracted in January&lt;/a&gt; so only 3 names were added, compared to 17 in December. But I plan on doubling the list this month. This is not an attempt to debunk the 650 list, if that were the motivation I would stop now as there is already now plenty of material elsewhere on the internet for anyone objective to find which questions the list.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am going to continue, get some more names added and to try and group the skeptics. Some of them share similar positions and arguments, some are quite distinct. Perhaps I will find a decent classification system to group these skeptics and any skeptics in future, including blog comment and forum skeptics (they don't have to be semi-famous).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It would be quite interesting to be able to assign a skeptic to a particular group for example and therefore be able to "stereotype" them by other members of that group. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The current method most people employ is to use a personal name to refer to all skeptics (eg "denier", "inactivist", "contrarian", etc). This is not particularly descriptive or representative of the disperse spread of credibility in different skeptics and I believe categories would capture information that could be exploited in debate (and I am essentially an arguer, so this is what I want)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-7088244711094748914?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/7088244711094748914/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/summary-to-date.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7088244711094748914'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7088244711094748914'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/summary-to-date.html' title='Summary to date'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-708073662718946091</id><published>2009-02-04T14:43:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T14:29:51.295-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='warming causes co2 rise not the other way round'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='greenhouse effect doesn&apos;t exist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='co2 is already saturated'/><title type='text'>Dr. Martin Hertzberg</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Dr. Martin Hertzberg, a retired Navy meteorologist with a PhD in physical chemistry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Cites this media article &lt;a href="http://this%20media%20article/"&gt;this media article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However the article doesn't directly quote Hertzberg much and even contradicts him in one case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hertzberg.pdf"&gt;The Lynching of Carbon Dioxide -The Innocent Source of Life by Dr. Martin Hertzbergment&lt;/a&gt; (PDF) is a better source of arguments directly from him&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;warming causes co2 rise not the other way round&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 is already saturated&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;CO2 concentration is small&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm"&gt;water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA321_1.html"&gt;Scientists' conclusions are motivated by money.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm"&gt;Ice age predicted in the 70s&lt;/a&gt; (well he says 60s, but same deal)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-early-20th-century.htm"&gt;It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;CO2 rise is caused by the oceans&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Volcanos emit more co2&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 lifetime in atmosphere is only 5 years&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Seems to suffer from a focus on co2 emissions rather than co2 concentrations, ie to think emissions should correlate with warming rather than concentration.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Confuses atmospheric average lifetime of a co2 molecule with the residence time for a pulse of co2 added:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;"The global warming advocates including the IPCC argue that the CO2 we emit into the atmosphere lasts for centuries....The most authoritative study of the lifetime of CO2 in the atmosphere was done by a Norwegian, Professor Tom Segalstad of the University of Oslo. The measured lifetime, based on the studies of some 50 independent researchers is at most about 5 years"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;An original argument..&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1. human co2 emissions fell 30% from 1929 (1.17 Gt) to 1932 (0.88 Gt).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. But co2 concentration rose about 1.5ppm in that time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;3. Given 1+2, therefore human co2 emissions aren't causing the rise in co2.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This brilliant argument is described as: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"One of the more dramatic contradictions to the Gore-IPCC hypothesis is one that I came up with myself, and which appealed to Cockburn and to an Australian group of fellow skeptics."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-708073662718946091?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/708073662718946091/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-martin-hertzberg.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/708073662718946091'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/708073662718946091'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-martin-hertzberg.html' title='Dr. Martin Hertzberg'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1099557199351889760</id><published>2009-02-04T13:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-04T14:40:04.094-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shouldnt be on the list'/><title type='text'>Dr. Christopher L. Castro</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;note: as far as updates go, lets mark January down as a bad month&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Dr. Christopher L. Castro, a Professor of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites a &lt;a href="http://climatesci.org/2007/06/04/on-the-importance-of-regional-climate-change-projection-in-the-southwest-us-and-its-caveats-by-professor-christopher-l-castro/"&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href="http://uanews.org/node/16581"&gt;news article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The blog post links through to a &lt;a href="http://www.atmo.arizoseries%20of%20lectures/"&gt;series of lectures&lt;/a&gt; (some of these are not available..I suspect they will be available nearer the specified date. It would be particularly interesting to see the contents of the global warming ones)&lt;/p&gt;Also there are some presentations here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/~castro/Presentations/"&gt;http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/~castro/Presentations/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The P-10 contains some interesting info&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts manmade global warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Regional climate modeller&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Global circulation models are inaccurate at regional scale&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Shouldn't be on the list&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The reason for the "Shouldn't be on the list" tag is there is no indication he doesn't accept GCM results. His arguments concern their ability (or lack of) to be accurate at the regional level.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"I believe the balance of evidence from the paleoclimate record, recent climate history (particularly since the 1980s), and the anthropogenic attribution GCM experiments (e.g., Meehl et al. type studies) support the conclusion that recent climate change is due, in part, to anthropogenic forcing."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1099557199351889760?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1099557199351889760/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-christopher-l-castro.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1099557199351889760'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1099557199351889760'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/02/dr-christopher-l-castro.html' title='Dr. Christopher L. Castro'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1969587257081721932</id><published>2009-01-02T22:48:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-02T22:58:52.272-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='co2 rise is natural'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><title type='text'>Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, a Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion in the department of Mechanical Engineering at Ohio State University, who has published over 45 peer reviewed studies&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites a freerepublic post that still has a copy of an original news article that is no longer available:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422147/posts"&gt;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422147/posts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It starts off badly with &lt;em&gt;"man’s addition to the carbon-dioxide flux in the atmosphere, by fossil-fuel combustion, is essentially irrelevant"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm"&gt;Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm"&gt;Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The "Arctic Ocean Model" explains warming&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We need the greenhouse effect&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;co2 rise is natural&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I am part of a "large minority"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;uses the phrase "so-called greenhouse gas". I see this phrase a lot. What does it mean? Are they casting their luck whether co2 is a greenhouse gas? Perhaps they are suggesting the possibility that "greenhouse gases" don't even exist. What is up with this frequently used phrase?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This author actually puts forward their own explaination for the warming: &lt;em&gt;"And behind that again is the alternative warming concept, most generally known as the Arctic Ocean Model, which is considered by many to be the real driver for the temperature oscillations and has been for the last million years or so.".&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1969587257081721932?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1969587257081721932/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-robert-h-essenhigh.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1969587257081721932'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1969587257081721932'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-robert-h-essenhigh.html' title='Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-296657198830664306</id><published>2009-01-02T22:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-02T22:47:09.147-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Dr. Robert E. Davis</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Dr. Robert E. Davis, a Professor at University of Virginia, a former UN&lt;br /&gt;IPCC contributor and past president of the Association of American Geographers,&lt;br /&gt;and past-chair of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on&lt;br /&gt;Biometeorology and Aerobiology&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=051205D"&gt;http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=051205D&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101500672.html"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Warm records are meaningless because the records are too short&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Can't see global warming in last 150 years of PDO record...&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;PDO unreleated to global warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;He says: "The unprecedented great Pacific climate shift of the late 1970s linked to global warming was, in fact, precedented and unrelated to global warming". I guess he's therfore ruling out the PDO as an explaination for the recent (post 70s) warming?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-296657198830664306?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/296657198830664306/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-robert-e-davis.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/296657198830664306'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/296657198830664306'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-robert-e-davis.html' title='Dr. Robert E. Davis'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-468992040692923409</id><published>2009-01-02T22:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-02T22:27:37.109-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><title type='text'>Alan Titchmarch</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Horticulturalist Alan Titchmarch, a prominent naturalist who hosts the popular "The Nature of Britain" program on the BBC, received the Royal Horticultural Society’s highest award – the Victoria Medal of Honor – for outstanding services to horticulture.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Links to the following news article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/10/06/nosplit/bvtvtitchmarsh06.xml"&gt;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/10/06/nosplit/bvtvtitchmarsh06.xml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;edit: the correct spelling is &lt;em&gt;Titchmar&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt;h&lt;/em&gt; I believe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm"&gt;Climate's changed before&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why no warming during the industrial revolution?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We’ll lose some species, but we’ll gain others.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts manmade global warming and acting on it.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the news article he says: "Why didn’t we have global warming during the Industrial Revolution? In those days you couldn’t have seen across the street for all the carbon emissions and the crap coming out of the chimneys."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Also says: "I’m sure we are contributing to global warming, and we must do all we can to reduce that"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-468992040692923409?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/468992040692923409/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/alan-titchmarch.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/468992040692923409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/468992040692923409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2009/01/alan-titchmarch.html' title='Alan Titchmarch'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-5547399306138563389</id><published>2008-12-19T15:48:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-19T16:14:41.818-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='greenhouse effect doesn&apos;t exist'/><title type='text'>Hans Schreuder</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Analytical chemist Hans Schreuder who publishes the UK based website&lt;br /&gt;ILoveMyCarbonDioxide.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;list cites said website:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/about.html"&gt;http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/about.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 concentration is small&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;the greenhouse effect doesn't exist&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;greenhouse effect violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics...&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;This is amazingly crazy stuff. Is it just one big joke?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Atmospheric "greenhouse forcing" does not warm the planet, never has and never will. In fact, the very idea that there is a greenhouse effect in our atmosphere is absurd."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Simply noting the "co2 concentration is small" argument doesn't pay justice to the extraordinary effort made in giving it, the amazing 173x2860 gif and all: &lt;a href="http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/graph.html"&gt;http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/graph.html&lt;/a&gt; This and other effort on the site suggest it isn't a joke and the author is actually being serious.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Some arguments are given on these pages: &lt;a href="http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/theory.html"&gt;http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/theory.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/FAQ.html"&gt;http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/FAQ.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/carbondioxide.html"&gt;http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/carbondioxide.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;links to "Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics" and "Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis Violates Fundamentals of Physics", and says&lt;em&gt; " I salute all scientists who agree with these papers and will gladly publicise all papers on this subject"...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;mwhaha! it's &lt;em&gt;FALSE&lt;/em&gt; I tells you!!11 (Quotes):&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"The settled science that a greenhouse warms up due to re-radiated light (energy), as set out by Fourier (1824), Tyndall (1861), Arrhenius (1896), NASA (2008), et al., is false."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Yet carbon dioxide’s re-radiation of infrared energy warming up planet earth is the preposterous theory hailed by not only the alarmists, but accepted and elaborated by most skeptics as well, with mathematical theorems that do little more than calculate the number of fairies that can dance on a pinhead."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-5547399306138563389?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/5547399306138563389/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/hans-schreuder.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/5547399306138563389'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/5547399306138563389'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/hans-schreuder.html' title='Hans Schreuder'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-3514671030966827696</id><published>2008-12-19T15:26:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-19T15:41:39.262-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='microsite biases'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='imminent global cooling'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='urban heat island'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='warmer in the 1930s'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It hasn&apos;t warmed since 1998'/><title type='text'>Joseph Conklin</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Meteorologist Joseph Conklin launched a skeptical website called Climatepolice.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;list cites:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://climatepolice.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/global-warming-movement-falling-apart/"&gt;http://climatepolice.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/global-warming-movement-falling-apart/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/1934-hottest-year-on-record.htm"&gt;1930s hottest decade on record&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/urban-heat-island-effect.htm"&gt;Urban heat island effect and microsite biases&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm"&gt;It hasn't warmed since 1998&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;predicts global cooling&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"This conclusion agrees with a previous study suggesting that no new warming has occurred (Lindzen, 2006) since 1998. It also agrees with a report (Gray, 2006) predicting that global temperatures will begin decreasing." &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://climatepolice.wordpress.com/2007/05/09/is-the-climate-cooling/"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-3514671030966827696?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/3514671030966827696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/joseph-conklin.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3514671030966827696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/3514671030966827696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/joseph-conklin.html' title='Joseph Conklin'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1798276445925987164</id><published>2008-12-19T14:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-19T15:11:59.211-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='warming causes co2 rise not the other way round'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='co2 rise is natural'/><title type='text'>Dr. Jeffrey A. Glassman</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Applied Physicist and Engineer Dr. Jeffrey A. Glassman wrote an October 24, 2006&lt;br /&gt;paper entitled "The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;list cites: &lt;a href="http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html"&gt;http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments Condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm"&gt;warming causes co2 rise, not the other way round&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;lack of runaway warming in past 400,000 years&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;recent co2 rise is natural from the oceans&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;skeptical of mauna loa co2 record&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Here is a quote from the "The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;"According to at least one report, climatologists are at a loss to&lt;br /&gt;explain the source of the CO2:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Where did the carbon dioxide come from? “This is one of the grand&lt;br /&gt;unsolved puzzles in climate research,” said Thomas Stocker, a climate modeler at&lt;br /&gt;the Physics Institute of the University of Bern. Schoen [1999].&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover and to the contrary, climatologists dismiss the oceans as the source."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.oxygentimerelease.com/A/ScienceOxygen/p5.htm"&gt;Here is the article with the Thomas Stocker quote&lt;/a&gt;. It continues:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;“This is one of the grand unsolved puzzles in climate research,” said Thomas&lt;br /&gt;Stocker, a climate modeler at the Physics Institute of the University of&lt;br /&gt;Bern. "&lt;strong&gt;About 50% of the 80-ppm glacial-to-interglacial increase&lt;br /&gt;can be explained by a change in the solubility of carbon dioxide.&lt;br /&gt;Warmer ocean water carries less carbon dioxide than colder&lt;br /&gt;water.&lt;/strong&gt; However, there are complicated biochemical processes in the ocean, such&lt;br /&gt;as pH, the depth of the dissolution level for calcium carbonate, and the net primary&lt;br /&gt;productivity of the marine carbon cycle that are also playing a role."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the claim that "Moreover and to the contrary, climatologists dismiss the oceans as the source" doesn't seem justified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The "Aquital" continues:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"&lt;/em&gt;Gavin A. Schmidt (NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), New York, New York; and Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, Columbia University, New York, New York.) and his blog group at RealClimate believe …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;The oceans cannot be a source of carbon to the atmosphere, because we observe them to be a sink of carbon from the atmosphere."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This article is titled &lt;a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?%20p=160"&gt;How much of the &lt;strong&gt;recent&lt;/strong&gt; CO2 increase is due to human activities?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have emphaised the word "recent". The article is pointing out that recent co2 rise cannot be due to an ocean source, not that the oceans weren't a source of co2 during glacial warming periods. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There's a whole mess of confusion after that where the "Aquital" makes the same mistake between different statements from the IPCC.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It gets worse, I'll probably come back to this one there are probably quite a few arguments left to record.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"What they did next was revise their own embryonic global climate models, previously called GCMs, converting them into greenhouse gas, catastrophe models. The revised GCMs were less able to replicate global climate, but by manual adjustments could show manmade CO2 causing global warming within a few degrees and a fraction!"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Back to Engelbeen, his first argument silently rests on the well-mixed hypothesis. His data appear to be Mauna Loa measurements, and not necessarily global data. The IPCC reports that investigators calibrated the other sites to match the Mauna Loa measurements. Mauna Loa as you suggest has influences of the volcano, but also of El Niño, and apparently the investigators calibrated or adjusted these effects out of their data. Meanwhile MLO sits in the wandering, variable plume of the Eastern Equatorial Pacific outgassing. And al the time, Earth is warming (an essential tenet to the AGW conjecture), causing the natural outgassing to increase (which the IPCC nowhere computes"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1798276445925987164?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1798276445925987164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-jeffrey-glassman.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1798276445925987164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1798276445925987164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-jeffrey-glassman.html' title='Dr. Jeffrey A. Glassman'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-4380765710666021274</id><published>2008-12-19T14:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-19T14:31:23.582-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='political conspiracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='no human warming'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scientific conspiracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><title type='text'>Frank Britton</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Chemist Frank Britton rejected man-made climate fears in 2007.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;list cites a news article, but the article seems to be gone:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_6489861"&gt;http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_6489861&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;unable to find other references so far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 concentration is small&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Most co2 comes from ants and termites&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 is not a "particularly effective" greenhouse gas&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;political conspiracy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;scientific conspiracy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Humans have no measurable control over global temperatures&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Think he's thinking of methane with the termites and ants argument.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The conspiracy arguments are that politicians and scientists know it's wrong but either for financial or ideological gain they push it nevertheless.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Out of the wide spectrum of radiation received from the sun, CO2 only absorbs energy from&lt;br /&gt;three very narrow levels"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-4380765710666021274?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/4380765710666021274/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/frank-britton.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4380765710666021274'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4380765710666021274'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/frank-britton.html' title='Frank Britton'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-4211495806849135229</id><published>2008-12-18T14:20:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:07:09.035-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shouldnt be on the list'/><title type='text'>Svante Björck, Karl Ljung and Dan Hammarlund</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;An April 2007 study revealed the Earth’s climate “seesawing” during the last 10,000 years, according to Swedish researchers Svante Björck, Karl Ljung and Dan&lt;br /&gt;Hammarlund of Lund U&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;niversity.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These scientists appear to have been wrongly included on the 650 list just because someone thought their research was skeptical of manmade global warming. From the blog Uppsalainitiativet we learn that these scientists are not too happy about their inclusion on the list:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cited Swedish Researchers in Inhofe 650 are upset&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://uppsalainitiativet.blogspot.com/2008/12/cited-swedish-researchers-in-inhofe-650.html"&gt;http://uppsalainitiativet.blogspot.com/2008/12/cited-swedish-researchers-in-inhofe-650.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Here is a press release they made about the paper, as listed on sciencedaily in April 2007:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070428170229.htm"&gt;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070428170229.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://idw-online.de/pages/en/news206636"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The citations on the EPW List don't come from nowhere. They are always based on some media article or blog post somewhere. So on a hunch I went over to &lt;a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/"&gt;wattsupwiththat.com&lt;/a&gt; and went back to April 30th 2007, the day that the sciencedaily article was released and started flipping forward.&lt;br /&gt;Aha:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/05/02/earths-climate-is-see-sawing/"&gt;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/05/02/earths-climate-is-see-sawing/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here's the story of how Svante Björck, Karl Ljung and Dan Hammarlund got onto the EPW list. Or rather here's my guess at how it really happened:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Svante Björck, Karl Ljung and Dan Hammarlund announce their research which appears on a number of online news sites.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Because it contains the statement "These results imply that Europe may face a slightly cooler future than predicted by IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" it gets jumped on by the skeptic blogs.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The skeptic blogs load it with words it doesn't even say or support.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Because it's been featured on skeptic blogs it gets auto-collected onto the EPW list of 650, probably without a second check.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;I bet this research was "interpreted" at some point by icecap.us as well.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-4211495806849135229?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/4211495806849135229/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/svante-bjrck-karl-ljung-and-dan.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4211495806849135229'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/4211495806849135229'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/svante-bjrck-karl-ljung-and-dan.html' title='Svante Björck, Karl Ljung and Dan Hammarlund'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-8897827832729135546</id><published>2008-12-18T12:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T13:49:54.298-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ice age predicted in the 70s'/><title type='text'>Justin Berk</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Meteorologist Justin Berk asserted that the "majority of TV meteorologists" are&lt;br /&gt;skeptical of dire man-made global warming claims.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites this &lt;a href="http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/lofiversion/index.php/t131418.html"&gt;news article&lt;/a&gt; (alternative source, the link on the list is broken). I have also been pointed to Justin Berk's &lt;a href="http://www.justinweathertalk.com/"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; - there's a recent post on global warming &lt;a href="http://justinweathertalk.blogspot.com/search?q=%22global+warming%22"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Also see an article on his other &lt;a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~topic40647-Global-Warming"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm"&gt;Climate's changed before&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm"&gt;Ice age predicted in the 70s&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://conspiracyfactory.blogspot.com/2008/04/just-theory.html"&gt;It's just a theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scientists forced into silence&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Most of his blog posts are on the subject of weather with only a brief mention of climate change now and again.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;His major argument, which seems to be his main reason for being skeptical of the theory is that warming and cooling have occured naturally in the past.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Some of the things he says suggest he isn't very familiar with this issue, for example: &lt;em&gt;"A story yesterday in &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&amp;amp;status=article&amp;amp;id=310695037962525" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Investors Business Daily&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; pointed out that the planet has been cooling since 1998, ice growth had begun in the northern Hemisphere last year...".&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Many have stated that Global Warming is a Theory, since according to the basic scientific method, it is not a proven Law. Therefore is should still be up for debate." &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~topic40647-Global-Warming"&gt;(link)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"The stable global temperatures and increasing support for cooling in recent years has only strengthened the scientists who were forced into silence out of fear of dissent. Yup, there was a lot of pressure to keep many scientist quiet."&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~topic40647-Global-Warming"&gt;(link)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-8897827832729135546?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/8897827832729135546/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/justin-berk.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8897827832729135546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8897827832729135546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/justin-berk.html' title='Justin Berk'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-8809626818462221925</id><published>2008-12-18T12:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T12:15:18.743-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='imminent global cooling'/><title type='text'>John L. Casey</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;NASA consultant and former space shuttle engineer John L. Casey of the Florida&lt;br /&gt;based Verity Management Services Inc. (VMS)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/i-am-ngudima-madriguru-climate-minister-of/"&gt;http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/i-am-ngudima-madriguru-climate-minister-of/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.spaceandscience.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/pressreleasessrc3-2008.doc"&gt;Press Release (sorry it's a .doc document)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's the sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"near 100% match between low temperatures and solar activity lows&lt;br /&gt;between now and as far back as 900 AD"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Global cooling obvious in 2012&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Seems to implicitly support the idea of increased hurricanes and increased hurricane intensity in a warmer world: &lt;em&gt;"Regarding the impacts of the next cold climate period on hurricanes, Casey summarized by saying "I would not be surprised to see the lowest number and least intense storms ever recorded in the US during this cold epoch, for obvious reasons."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-8809626818462221925?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/8809626818462221925/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/john-l-casey.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8809626818462221925'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/8809626818462221925'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/john-l-casey.html' title='John L. Casey'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-7139696570920959638</id><published>2008-12-17T16:13:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-19T13:44:35.594-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The names on the 650 list</title><content type='html'>From the 650 list, ordered alphabetically with duplicates removed. A few names might be missing due to error in extraction. There are 673 names in the list below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The names were taken from the 650 list full report PDF linked to from this page:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;amp;ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7"&gt;http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;amp;ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov&lt;br /&gt;Tom Addiscott&lt;br /&gt;Alexandre Amaral de Aguiar&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia&lt;br /&gt;Don Aitkin&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Glatzle Albrecht&lt;br /&gt;David Aldrich&lt;br /&gt;Kjell Aleklett&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William J.R. Alexander&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Claude Allegre&lt;br /&gt;Chris Allen&lt;br /&gt;Noor van Andel&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Bjarne Andresen&lt;br /&gt;David Archibald&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Scott Armstrong&lt;br /&gt;José Ramón Arévalo&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ritesh Arya&lt;br /&gt;Bob Ashworth&lt;br /&gt;Augie Auer&lt;br /&gt;Geoff L. Austin&lt;br /&gt;Dennis Avery&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Herbert Backhaus&lt;br /&gt;Donald G. Baker&lt;br /&gt;John W. Bales&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Sallie Baliunas&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Timothy Ball&lt;br /&gt;Gregory J. Balle&lt;br /&gt;Allen Barr&lt;br /&gt;Dr Jack Barrett&lt;br /&gt;Don Barron&lt;br /&gt;Romuald Bartnik&lt;br /&gt;Colin Barton&lt;br /&gt;Vladimir Bashkirtsev&lt;br /&gt;Steve Baskerville&lt;br /&gt;Joe Bastardi&lt;br /&gt;Matthew Bastardi&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Franco Battaglia&lt;br /&gt;Ernst-Georg Beck&lt;br /&gt;Hubert Becker&lt;br /&gt;Gary S. Becker&lt;br /&gt;Paul G. Becker&lt;br /&gt;Larry Bell&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Bellamy&lt;br /&gt;Greg Benson&lt;br /&gt;Dieter Ber&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Paul Berenson&lt;br /&gt;Rikard Bergsten&lt;br /&gt;Justin Berk&lt;br /&gt;Sally Bernier&lt;br /&gt;Andre Bernier&lt;br /&gt;M.I. Bhat&lt;br /&gt;Lord Lawson of Blaby&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John Blethen&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Edward F Blick&lt;br /&gt;Peter Bloemers&lt;br /&gt;Martin Bock&lt;br /&gt;Dr Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen&lt;br /&gt;Karl Bohnak&lt;br /&gt;Frederick Bopp&lt;br /&gt;Bruce Borders&lt;br /&gt;Chris C. Borel&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Norman Borlaug&lt;br /&gt;Brigitte Bossert&lt;br /&gt;Paul Bossert&lt;br /&gt;Daniel Botkin&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Donald J. Boudreaux&lt;br /&gt;Dr. R. W. Bradnock&lt;br /&gt;Bob Breck&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Pal Brekke&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William M. Briggs&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John Brignell&lt;br /&gt;Frank Britton&lt;br /&gt;John Brodie&lt;br /&gt;Adriaan Broere&lt;br /&gt;James Brooks&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John W. Brosnahan&lt;br /&gt;Georgia D. Brown&lt;br /&gt;Stephen Brown&lt;br /&gt;Atholl Sutherland Brown&lt;br /&gt;Harold Brown&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Reid Bryson&lt;br /&gt;James Buckee&lt;br /&gt;Gerd Burger&lt;br /&gt;Donald S. Burke&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Tony Burns&lt;br /&gt;Nigel Calder&lt;br /&gt;Mark Cantley&lt;br /&gt;Patrick Carroll&lt;br /&gt;Dan Carruthers&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Bob Carter&lt;br /&gt;John L. Casey&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Christopher L. Castro&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Randy Cerveny&lt;br /&gt;Kent A. Chambers&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Phil Chapman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. George Chilingar&lt;br /&gt;Tom Chisholm&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John Christy&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Petr Chylek&lt;br /&gt;Jim Clark&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ian D. Clark&lt;br /&gt;Roy Clark&lt;br /&gt;James Clarke&lt;br /&gt;Donald Clauson&lt;br /&gt;Charles Clough&lt;br /&gt;Michael Clover&lt;br /&gt;Michael Coffman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Roger W. Cohen&lt;br /&gt;John Coleman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. W.J. "Bill" Collins&lt;br /&gt;Rosa Compagnucci&lt;br /&gt;Dennis Compayre&lt;br /&gt;Martin Coniglio,&lt;br /&gt;Joseph Conklin&lt;br /&gt;James Cook&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Paul Copper&lt;br /&gt;Piers Corbyn&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Paulo N. Correa&lt;br /&gt;Allan Cortese&lt;br /&gt;Larry Cosgrove&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William R. Cotton&lt;br /&gt;Vincent Courtillot&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard S. Courtney&lt;br /&gt;James Cripwell&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Susan Crockford&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Matthew Cronin&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Claude Culross&lt;br /&gt;Walter Cunningham&lt;br /&gt;Tim Curtin&lt;br /&gt;Dalcio K. Dacol&lt;br /&gt;Grant Dade&lt;br /&gt;Dave Dahl&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Peter Dailey&lt;br /&gt;Joseph D'Aleo&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert E. Davis&lt;br /&gt;Luc Debontridder&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Fred W. Decker&lt;br /&gt;Robert DeFayette&lt;br /&gt;James DeMeo&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Deming&lt;br /&gt;Roger Dewhurst&lt;br /&gt;Peter Dietze&lt;br /&gt;David Dilley&lt;br /&gt;Jack Dini&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William DiPuccio&lt;br /&gt;Delgado Domingos&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Art V. Douglas&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Douglass&lt;br /&gt;James F. Drake&lt;br /&gt;M.K. Dubey&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Donald DuBois&lt;br /&gt;Geoffrey G. Duffy&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan DuHamel&lt;br /&gt;Bernard J. Dunn&lt;br /&gt;Robert Durrenberger&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Denis Dutton&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Freeman Dyson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Don J. Easterbrook&lt;br /&gt;Klaus-pulse Eckart&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Michael J. Economides&lt;br /&gt;Gunter Ederer&lt;br /&gt;Bob Edleman&lt;br /&gt;Alexander G. Egorov&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Theo Eichten&lt;br /&gt;Werner Vermess Eisenkopf&lt;br /&gt;Robert Ellison&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser&lt;br /&gt;Lance Endersbee&lt;br /&gt;Ferdinand Engelbeen&lt;br /&gt;Per Engene&lt;br /&gt;Gary England&lt;br /&gt;Hans Erren&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Christopher Essex&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John R Etherington&lt;br /&gt;Bill Evans&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Evans&lt;br /&gt;William Evans&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Cal Evans&lt;br /&gt;Ray Evans&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John T. Everett&lt;br /&gt;Mike Fairbourne&lt;br /&gt;Donald W. Farley&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Michael F. Farona&lt;br /&gt;Jesse Ferrell&lt;br /&gt;Eduardo Ferreyra&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Wilson Flood&lt;br /&gt;Frederic Fluteau&lt;br /&gt;Viv Forbes&lt;br /&gt;Robert Jacomb Foster&lt;br /&gt;Louis Fowler&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Michael R. Fox&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Patrick Frank&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Neil Frank&lt;br /&gt;Stewart Franks&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Oliver W. Frauenfeld&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Chris de Freitas&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Peter Friedman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen&lt;br /&gt;Ivan Frolov&lt;br /&gt;Brian Fuchs&lt;br /&gt;Gordon Fulks&lt;br /&gt;Mick Fuller&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Serge Galam&lt;br /&gt;Maureen T. Gallagher&lt;br /&gt;Edgar Gardeners&lt;br /&gt;R. W. Gauldie&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Gee&lt;br /&gt;Bas van Geel&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Lee C. Gerhard&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gerhard Gerlich&lt;br /&gt;Ivar Giaever&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert Giegengack&lt;br /&gt;Tony Gilland&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jeffrey A. Glassman&lt;br /&gt;Grob Glienicke&lt;br /&gt;Dick Goddard&lt;br /&gt;Indur M Goklany&lt;br /&gt;Fred Goldberg&lt;br /&gt;Stanley B. Goldenberg&lt;br /&gt;Victor Goldschmidt&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Mel Goldstein&lt;br /&gt;Sergei Golubchikov&lt;br /&gt;Guillermo Gonzalez&lt;br /&gt;Wayne Goodfellow&lt;br /&gt;Jim Goodridge&lt;br /&gt;Harry A. Gordon&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Laurence I. Gould&lt;br /&gt;Brian van de Graaff&lt;br /&gt;William K. Graham&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David A. Gray&lt;br /&gt;Gary O. Gray&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William Gray&lt;br /&gt;Thomas B. Gray&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Vincent Gray&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Kenneth P. Green&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Howard Greyber&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Michael Griffin&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hauck Guenther&lt;br /&gt;Guido Guidi&lt;br /&gt;Alois Haas&lt;br /&gt;Eugenio Hackbart&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Keith D. Hage&lt;br /&gt;Robert W. Hahn&lt;br /&gt;Jeff Halblaub&lt;br /&gt;Morten Hald&lt;br /&gt;Michael Hammer&lt;br /&gt;James Hammond&lt;br /&gt;Charles Hammons&lt;br /&gt;Cliff Harris&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Peter Harris&lt;br /&gt;Tom Harris&lt;br /&gt;Dirck T. Hartmann&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jon Hartzler&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Howard Hayden&lt;br /&gt;Ross Hays&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Detlef Hebert&lt;br /&gt;Wilfried Heck&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Klaus P. Heiss&lt;br /&gt;Branford Helgo&lt;br /&gt;Dr Peter Heller&lt;br /&gt;David Henderson&lt;br /&gt;Marc Hendrickx&lt;br /&gt;Flick Hendrikje&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ben Herman&lt;br /&gt;Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Martin Hertzberg&lt;br /&gt;Hug Hienz&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert Higgs&lt;br /&gt;Ted Hinds&lt;br /&gt;Louis A.G. Hissink&lt;br /&gt;Wayne Hocking&lt;br /&gt;Rainer Hoffman&lt;br /&gt;Heinz Hofman&lt;br /&gt;Ferdinand Furst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein&lt;br /&gt;David Holland&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Dennis Hollars&lt;br /&gt;Art Horn&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ludecke Horst-Joachim&lt;br /&gt;Douglas V. Hoyt&lt;br /&gt;Warwick Hughes&lt;br /&gt;Ole Humlum&lt;br /&gt;William Hunt&lt;br /&gt;Steve Hynek&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Sherwood Idso&lt;br /&gt;Keith Idso&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Craig Idso&lt;br /&gt;Arthur T. "Terry" Safford III&lt;br /&gt;Andrei Illarionov&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Olafur Ingolfsson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Kiminori Itoh&lt;br /&gt;Yury Izrael&lt;br /&gt;Barrie Jackson&lt;br /&gt;Albert F. Jacobs&lt;br /&gt;Craig James&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski&lt;br /&gt;Jon Jenkins&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Dennis Jensen&lt;br /&gt;Terrell Johnson&lt;br /&gt;Daniel P. Johnson&lt;br /&gt;Wm. Robert Johnston&lt;br /&gt;Raymond J. Jones&lt;br /&gt;Hub Jongen&lt;br /&gt;John Lott, Jr.&lt;br /&gt;Norm Kalmanovitch&lt;br /&gt;Andrei Kapitsa&lt;br /&gt;Bill Kappel&lt;br /&gt;Al Kaprielian&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Wibjorn Karlen&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Joel M. Kauffman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Kear&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Geoffrey Kearsley&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard Keen&lt;br /&gt;Douglas J. Keenan&lt;br /&gt;Harald Kehl&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Aynsley Kellow&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Kelvin Kemm&lt;br /&gt;John Kettley&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Madhav Khandekar&lt;br /&gt;William R. Kininmonth&lt;br /&gt;Jasper Kirkby&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Arnold Kling&lt;br /&gt;Paul C. Knappenberger&lt;br /&gt;Paul Knight&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Wuntke Knut&lt;br /&gt;Dr. James P. Koermer&lt;br /&gt;Tom Kondis&lt;br /&gt;Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten&lt;br /&gt;Jan J.H. Kop&lt;br /&gt;Bill Korbel&lt;br /&gt;R.W.J. Kouffeld&lt;br /&gt;Roderick W. Van Koughnet&lt;br /&gt;Dieter Kramer&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gerhard Kramm&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Albert Krause&lt;br /&gt;Olavi Kärner&lt;br /&gt;Salomon Kroonenberg&lt;br /&gt;Dr. George Kukla&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Takeda Kunihiko&lt;br /&gt;Ray Kurzweil&lt;br /&gt;Olav M. Kvalheim&lt;br /&gt;Dr. A.T.J. de Laat&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Christopher W. Landsea&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Willem de Lange&lt;br /&gt;Rune B. Larsen&lt;br /&gt;Michael Laughton&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Thomas Lavin&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Douglas Leahey&lt;br /&gt;Peter R. Leavitt&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David R. Legates&lt;br /&gt;Jay Lehr&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Christoph Leinb&lt;br /&gt;Kevin Lemanowicz&lt;br /&gt;Arthur E. Lemay&lt;br /&gt;Nikolaus Lentz&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Marcel Leroux&lt;br /&gt;G. Lesins&lt;br /&gt;Bryan Leyland&lt;br /&gt;Edward Liebsch&lt;br /&gt;Michael Limburg&lt;br /&gt;William Lindqvist&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard Lindzen&lt;br /&gt;Dr Gerrit van der Lingen&lt;br /&gt;Peter Link&lt;br /&gt;Endel Lippmaa&lt;br /&gt;Al Lipson&lt;br /&gt;Martin Livermore&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Philip Lloyd&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gerhard Lobert&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Keith Lockitch&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Craig Loehle&lt;br /&gt;Justin Loew&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Bjorn Lomborg&lt;br /&gt;A.J. Tom van Loon&lt;br /&gt;John Loufman&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan Lowe&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Anthony Lupo&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard Mackey&lt;br /&gt;Allan M.R. MacRae&lt;br /&gt;Horst Malberg&lt;br /&gt;Björn Malmgren&lt;br /&gt;Augusto Mangini&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Francis T. Manns&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Oliver K. Manuel&lt;br /&gt;Rob Marciano&lt;br /&gt;Ronald C. Marks&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jennifer Marohasy&lt;br /&gt;Peter Martin&lt;br /&gt;James A. Marusek&lt;br /&gt;Nigel Marven&lt;br /&gt;Galina Mashnich&lt;br /&gt;Prof. Francis Massen&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Paul Matthews&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John Maunder&lt;br /&gt;William F. McClenney&lt;br /&gt;Mike McConnell&lt;br /&gt;Les McDonald&lt;br /&gt;Tom McElmurry&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Alister McFarquhar&lt;br /&gt;Peter McGurk&lt;br /&gt;Stephen McIntyre&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ross McKitrick&lt;br /&gt;John McLean&lt;br /&gt;Ian McQueen&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Owen McShane&lt;br /&gt;Bill Meck&lt;br /&gt;Jean Meeus&lt;br /&gt;Rob Meleon&lt;br /&gt;Rob Melon&lt;br /&gt;Dr. D. Bruce Merrifield&lt;br /&gt;Amos Meyer&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Patrick J. Michaels&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Fred Michel&lt;br /&gt;Adam Mickiewicz&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Daniel W. Miles&lt;br /&gt;Frank Milne&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Asmunn Moene&lt;br /&gt;Alan Moghissi&lt;br /&gt;H. Michael Mogil&lt;br /&gt;Michael Monce&lt;br /&gt;Lord Christopher Monckton&lt;br /&gt;Des Moore&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Thomas Gale Moore&lt;br /&gt;Sir Patrick Moore&lt;br /&gt;Alan Moran&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Dick Morgan&lt;br /&gt;Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Nils-Axel Morner&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Lubos Motl&lt;br /&gt;Richard Mourdock&lt;br /&gt;R. John Muench&lt;br /&gt;Vincent U. Muirhead&lt;br /&gt;Jan Mulderink&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Tad Murty&lt;br /&gt;Michael J. Myers&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Nasif Nahle&lt;br /&gt;Robert Neff&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Muriel Newman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. John Nicol&lt;br /&gt;David F. Noble&lt;br /&gt;Gary Novak&lt;br /&gt;Mr. David Nowell&lt;br /&gt;Dr. James O'Brien&lt;br /&gt;Peter R Odell&lt;br /&gt;Peter Oliver&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Cliff Ollier&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Perry Ong&lt;br /&gt;David Orrell&lt;br /&gt;Curtis Osgood,&lt;br /&gt;Nikolai Osokin&lt;br /&gt;Jim Ott&lt;br /&gt;David Packham&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Norman J. Page&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Nathan Paldor&lt;br /&gt;Morgan Palmer&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Garth W. Paltridge&lt;br /&gt;Dan Pangburn&lt;br /&gt;Mark Paquette&lt;br /&gt;Donald Parkes&lt;br /&gt;Arthur M. Patterson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. R. Timothy Patterson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Theodore G. Pavlopoulos&lt;br /&gt;Benjamin D. Pearson&lt;br /&gt;James A. Peden&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Benny Peiser&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Al Pekarek&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hans Penner&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert A. Perkins&lt;br /&gt;Charles Perry&lt;br /&gt;J.T.Rogers&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ian Plimer&lt;br /&gt;Victor Pochat&lt;br /&gt;Boylan Point&lt;br /&gt;Daniel Joseph Pounder&lt;br /&gt;Patrick Powell&lt;br /&gt;Brian R. Pratt&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Harry N.A. Priem&lt;br /&gt;Gwyn Prins&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Andreas Prokoph&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Tom Quirk&lt;br /&gt;Ed Rademacher&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Art Raiche&lt;br /&gt;VK Raina&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Denis G. Rancourt&lt;br /&gt;Steve Rayner&lt;br /&gt;Bernie Rayno&lt;br /&gt;Josef Reichholf&lt;br /&gt;William E. Reifsnyder&lt;br /&gt;George A. Reilly&lt;br /&gt;Dr. George Reisman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Paul Reiter&lt;br /&gt;Henriques Renato&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Peter Ridd&lt;br /&gt;Rolf Riehm&lt;br /&gt;Thomas Ring&lt;br /&gt;J.A.L. Robertson&lt;br /&gt;Colin Robinson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Art Robinson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Alex Robson&lt;br /&gt;Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts&lt;br /&gt;Robert G. Roper&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Arthur Rorsch&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert Rose&lt;br /&gt;Curt Rose&lt;br /&gt;Robert Roseman&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hugh Ross&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Kenneth Rundt&lt;br /&gt;Gabriel Salas&lt;br /&gt;Michael R. Salazar&lt;br /&gt;Daryl Sas&lt;br /&gt;Nichola Scafetta&lt;br /&gt;Rob Scagel&lt;br /&gt;Jeffrey P. Schaffer&lt;br /&gt;Henk Schalke&lt;br /&gt;Clive Schaupmeyer&lt;br /&gt;Tom Scheffelin&lt;br /&gt;Jerome J. Schmitt&lt;br /&gt;Jack Schmitt&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David W. Schnare&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Chris Schoneveld&lt;br /&gt;Hans Schreuder&lt;br /&gt;Olaf Schuiling&lt;br /&gt;Joel Schwartz&lt;br /&gt;Bruce Schwoegler&lt;br /&gt;Peter Sciaky&lt;br /&gt;Mark Scirto&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Tom V. Segalstad&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Frederick Seitz&lt;br /&gt;Milos Setek&lt;br /&gt;Marcel Severijnen&lt;br /&gt;John Shade&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Vladimir Shaidurov&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gary D. Sharp&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Nir Shaviv&lt;br /&gt;Glen Shaw&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen&lt;br /&gt;Clinton H. Sheehan&lt;br /&gt;Vedat Shehu&lt;br /&gt;Richard F. Shepherd&lt;br /&gt;Gary Shore&lt;br /&gt;C. Robert Shoup&lt;br /&gt;Topper Shutt&lt;br /&gt;Alan Siddons&lt;br /&gt;Paavo Siitam&lt;br /&gt;Hardin Simmons&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Joanne Simpson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. S. Fred Singer&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Rainer Six&lt;br /&gt;Hajo Smit&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ron Smith&lt;br /&gt;Lenny Smith&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Robert Smith&lt;br /&gt;Dr. G LeBlanc Smith&lt;br /&gt;Dr. L. Graham Smith&lt;br /&gt;George E. Smith&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Joe Sobel&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Willie Soon&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Oleg Sorochtin&lt;br /&gt;Douglas Southgate&lt;br /&gt;James Spann&lt;br /&gt;Glenn Speck&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Roy W. Spencer&lt;br /&gt;Karl Spring&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jim Sprott&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr.&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Walter Starck&lt;br /&gt;Bill Steffen&lt;br /&gt;Herb Stevens&lt;br /&gt;Leighton Steward&lt;br /&gt;Don Stewart&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Peter Stilbs&lt;br /&gt;Dr David Stockwell&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hans von Storch&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Alex Storrs&lt;br /&gt;Philip Stott&lt;br /&gt;Arlin Super&lt;br /&gt;Brian Sussman&lt;br /&gt;Brad Sussman&lt;br /&gt;John K. Sutherland&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Henrik Svensmark&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gordon E. Swaters&lt;br /&gt;Wojciech J. Szalecki&lt;br /&gt;John Takeuchi&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Elwynn Taylor&lt;br /&gt;George Taylor&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Mitchell Taylor&lt;br /&gt;Malcolm Taylor&lt;br /&gt;Uwe Tempel&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Hendrik Tennekes&lt;br /&gt;Heinze Thieme&lt;br /&gt;Sherwood Thoele&lt;br /&gt;Dick Thoenes&lt;br /&gt;Mike Thompson&lt;br /&gt;Tim Thornton&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Wolfgang P. Thuene&lt;br /&gt;Alan Titchmarch&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard Tol&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Eduardo Tonni&lt;br /&gt;Anthony Trewavas&lt;br /&gt;Göran Tullberg&lt;br /&gt;Anton Uriarte&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Brian G. Valentine&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jan Veizer&lt;br /&gt;Frank Wachowski&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Chris Walcek&lt;br /&gt;George Waldenberger&lt;br /&gt;Gösta Walin&lt;br /&gt;Len Walker&lt;br /&gt;Haydon Walker&lt;br /&gt;Dr. James Wanliss&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Fred Ward&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Kevin Warwick&lt;br /&gt;Kenneth E. F. Watt&lt;br /&gt;Anthony Watts&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Charles Wax&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gerd-Rainer Weber&lt;br /&gt;Dan Webster&lt;br /&gt;Jack Wedel&lt;br /&gt;James Weeg&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Edward J. Wegman&lt;br /&gt;Rich Weiss&lt;br /&gt;Dr. William L. Wells&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Bruce West&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Whitehouse&lt;br /&gt;Chuck F. Wiese&lt;br /&gt;William Wilkinson&lt;br /&gt;Stephan Wilksch&lt;br /&gt;John Williams&lt;br /&gt;Kevin Williams&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Richard C. Willson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Ian Wilson&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Terry Wimberley&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Duncan Wingham&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Boris Winterhalter&lt;br /&gt;Bruno Wiskel&lt;br /&gt;Sylvan H. Wittwer&lt;br /&gt;Dr. David Wojick&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Frederick Wolf&lt;br /&gt;Jan Pieter van Wolfswinkel&lt;br /&gt;Robert Woock&lt;br /&gt;Arnold Woodruff&lt;br /&gt;James Woudhuysen&lt;br /&gt;Raphael Wust&lt;br /&gt;Tom Wysmuller&lt;br /&gt;Sun Xian&lt;br /&gt;Chris Yakymyshyn&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Lynwood Yarbrough&lt;br /&gt;Roger Young&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Gregory Young&lt;br /&gt;William R. Young&lt;br /&gt;Yury Zaitsev&lt;br /&gt;Josef Zboril&lt;br /&gt;Lev Zeleny&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Miklós Zágoni&lt;br /&gt;Lin Zhen-Shan&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Antonio Zichichi&lt;br /&gt;Raphael Wust Zichichi&lt;br /&gt;Stan Zlochen&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jeff Zweerink&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-7139696570920959638?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/7139696570920959638/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/names-on-650-list.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7139696570920959638'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7139696570920959638'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/names-on-650-list.html' title='The names on the 650 list'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-6616985022612442942</id><published>2008-12-15T14:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T15:22:50.830-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='climate&apos;s changed before'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><title type='text'>Art Horn</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Meteorologist Art Horn, currently operating The ‘Art' Of the Weather business&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites nothing, and that's the shortest introduction so far. Horn has actually written to the EPW according to the list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But here's some more info:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theartofweather.com/arthorn.htm"&gt;http://www.theartofweather.com/arthorn.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and he has a website:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theartofweather.com/index.htm"&gt;http://www.theartofweather.com/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On his FAQ page he has a topic &lt;em&gt;"Is Global Warming For Real? Click here for the answer"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theartofweather.com/PageQ4.htm"&gt;http://www.theartofweather.com/PageQ4.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's also a news article interviewing him here where he talks about global warming:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=2114"&gt;http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=2114&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm"&gt;Climate's changed before&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm"&gt;Global warming is good&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm"&gt;Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Carbon dioxide concentration is a very small number&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's the sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm"&gt;Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"concerns over warming are silly since he believes the world could be in store for another little ice age."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Natural Cycles (the God Did It of arguments)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Global warming industry conspiracy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I found the news article and started reading it I wondered why The List hadn't cited it, as it cites many news articles for other names. My guess is because at the end of the article Horn's arguments are firmly tackled by climate scientists &lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-chameides"&gt;Dr Bill Chameides&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/news/experts/brenda-ekwurzel.html"&gt;Dr Brenda Ekwurzel&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Ekwurzel or Chameides both discounted Horn's claim that only three percent of carbon emmisions are man-made.&lt;br /&gt;"The claims are common if you haven't been trained in climate science," said Ekwurzel. "He's looking at the composition of the atmosphere and drawing conclusions without understanding all the various properties of water vapor versus carbon dioxide and so on."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"A self-described political moderate, Horn said he first conceived of the global warming presentation to engage with the popular topic of climate change, and he started from the premise that global warming didn't exist."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Horn said that he wasn't alone in his beliefs about global warming, citing Web sites such as icecap.us and climatescience.org"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"In addition, Horn says, only about three percent of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is man-made. The amount of man-made carbon in the atmosphere, Horn says, composes less than a tenth of the total atmosphere. According to Horn, such a small percentage couldn't possibly have an effect on global climate."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Qualifications:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;From the article we learn that Horn has a BSc in meteorology.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-6616985022612442942?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/6616985022612442942/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/art-horn.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6616985022612442942'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6616985022612442942'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/art-horn.html' title='Art Horn'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-7109123313960768575</id><published>2008-12-15T12:58:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-16T17:20:07.818-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rate of co2 rise stopped in 1988'/><title type='text'>Dr. D. Bruce Merrifield</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ivy League Organic Chemist Dr. D. Bruce Merrifield is a former Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs, Professor Emeritus of the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania, and a member of the Visiting Committee for Physical Sciences at the University of Chicago.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;List cites this article which contains a lot of figures and graphs:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/global_warming_and_solar_radia_1.html"&gt;http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/global_warming_and_solar_radia_1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Rate of greenhouse gas rise hasn't risen since 1988 despite increased fossil fuel emissons&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;solar radiation, co2 and temperature closely track across time &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Glacial&lt;/em&gt; warming caused primarily by sun and secondary feedback from rising greenhouse gas&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CO2 Stopped rising in 1988?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;This is what I thought the argument was when I read it first. I took another look and now think the claim is actually that co2 rise hasn't accelerated since 1988, with the argument that it should of done given increased human co2 emissions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The 400 list quotes this part of the article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;"The current 100 year solar radiation cycle may now have reached its peak, and irradiation intensity has been observed to be declining. This might account for the very recent net cessation of emission of green house gases into the atmosphere starting about 1988, in spite of increasing generation of anthropomorphically-sourced industrial-based green house gases."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's another sentence of the same argument:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Interestingly, starting about two decades ago (1988), the total increase of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere has abruptly stopped, in spite of increased burning of fossil fuels."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;This does sound like it's saying the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere abruptly stopped in 1988. But the use of the word &lt;em&gt;into&lt;/em&gt;, rather than &lt;em&gt;in,&lt;/em&gt; could mean it's talking about the rate of increase in greenhouse gases has stopped since 1988. This explaination is far more likely given that the claim co2 stopped rising in 1988 is nuts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The claim cites figure v, which depicts the % gain of co2 per year. But the graph only goes up to 1993. Here's a graph of the same thing but going up to 2008. Not only does it show that co2 rise &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; accelerated since 1988, but it also exposes how convenient it was for the article to cut the graph off in 1993. Also note that even a steady % growth rate is an exponential rise anyway.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/CO2%20growth%20rate.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 455px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 275px" alt="" src="http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/CO2%20growth%20rate.JPG" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In addition the 1988 spike was probably due to the strong El Nino in that year, just as the 1998 spike can be attributed the same. In fact emissions in the first few years of the 1990s did not rise, but were fairly level (&lt;a href="http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp030/global.1751_2005.ems"&gt;http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp030/global.1751_2005.ems&lt;/a&gt;), perhaps owing to the collapse of the soviet union. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So in summary is a lot wrong with the article's argument from the serious to the trivial:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;CO2 data shows the argument is wrong.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Cutting off the data past 1993&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Continuing to make a claim that co2 rise hasn't accelerated since 1988 despite not having the data past 1993.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Thinking 5 years of co2 data past 1988 are sufficient to determine anything significant about the trend considering the noise on the graph.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Not realising (or mentioning) the cause of the 1988 spike&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Describing it as the "net cessation of emission of green house gases into the atmosphere" which betrays a lack of understanding that co2 absorption plays a role. Why not just say co2 rise has slowed or remained steady since 1988?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The phrase "anthropomorphically-sourced".&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Figure X is from JunkScience.com (this one &lt;a href="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/irradiance.gif"&gt;http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/irradiance.gif&lt;/a&gt;), printed out on paper, scanned back in and uploaded to the web article. Somewhere in that process the last 40 years of the Lean reconstruction has been lost. This is the second graph that has and end section missing, and in both the argument relied on the omission.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Figure IX is from another internet site "Global Warming:A closer look at the numbers" (&lt;a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html"&gt;http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html&lt;/a&gt;), an webpage with a number of inaccuracies. The table itself is cited back to the "US Department of Energy", except the geocraft site has inserted the "natural additions" and "man-made additions" columns itself, and coincidentally (or not), those are the same columns that contain incorrect values.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The articles says: "The amounts of carbon dioxide entering the atmosphere have increased about 1.8% per year since pre-industrial times, rising from about 280 ppmv to 383 ppmv now -- the highest in 160,000 years." probably refering to figure 2 that shows ice core data going back 160,000 years. Yet amazingly the article has missed it's own figure #1 which is the vostok graph stretching back even further, 400,000 years.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Despite a lot of errors in the article, the following explaination of glacial warming is far better than I would have thought. The author could have simply said greenhouse gases are irrelevant, but doesn't. I think maybe they have simply made a decision based on insufficient info: &lt;em&gt;"The onset of each 100,000-year abrupt warming period has been coincident with emissions into the atmosphere of large amounts of both carbon dioxide and methane greenhouse gases, which absorb additional heat from the sun, a secondary warming effect. Solar radiation would appear to be the initial forcing event in which warming oceans waters release dissolved carbon dioxide, and melt methane hydrates, both of which are present in the oceans in vast quantities. Subsequent declines in radiation are associated with long cooling periods in which the green house gases then gradually disappear (are re-absorbed) into terrestrial and ocean sinks, as reflected in the data from coring the Antarctic Ice Cap and Sargasso Sea."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-7109123313960768575?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/7109123313960768575/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-d-bruce-merrifield.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7109123313960768575'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7109123313960768575'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-d-bruce-merrifield.html' title='Dr. D. Bruce Merrifield'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-2583300706025429038</id><published>2008-12-14T13:50:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T15:47:09.245-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='No water vapor feedback'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s cosmic rays'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CO2 concentration is small'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mars is warming'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='No tropospheric warming'/><title type='text'>Dr. Cal Evans</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Oxford-educated Geochemist Dr. Cal Evans, a prominent researcher who has advised the Alberta Research Council, the Natural Sciences, and Engineering Research Council of Canada, and who is affiliated with the Calgary-based group Friends of Science&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the article the list cites:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dobmagazine.nickles.com/article.asp?article=magazine/070709/MAG2007_L90001.html"&gt;http://www.dobmagazine.nickles.com/article.asp?article=magazine/070709/MAG2007_L90001.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's the sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's cosmic rays&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Carbon dioxide appears to be a very minor factor.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm"&gt;Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;carbon dioxide is a very inefficient greenhouse gas&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;rejects water vapor feedback&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-troposphere.htm"&gt;Satellites show no warming in the troposphere&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm"&gt;Mars is warming&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts many glaciers are melting&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts the co2 rise since the industrial revolution, although preindustrial figure slightly wrong, and says ocean warming is the cause "at least in part" of the co2 rise.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepts that sunspot activity on its own cannot account for the full swings in global temperature (although confusingly the article cites Habibullo Abdussamatov as claiming evidence that "current global warming on both Mars and Earth is being caused by a long-term increase in solar irradiation")&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"The slight increase in ground temperature has no parallel in the troposphere. If atmospheric CO2 concentration was actually a significant factor in global warming, it stands to reason that atmospheric temperatures would rise but that hasn't happened."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"To date, no one has been able to identify a link between higher CO2 concentrations and greater volumes of atmospheric water vapour"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BIO info:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(this is from the article, unfortunately I can find no other references at this time)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-former head of Esso's research arm&lt;br /&gt;-appointed executive vice-president of Canada's largest upstream petroleum producer in 1980&lt;br /&gt;-worked for Pemoco Ltd, "Oil And Gas Field Services"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-2583300706025429038?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/2583300706025429038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-cal-evans.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2583300706025429038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2583300706025429038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-cal-evans.html' title='Dr. Cal Evans'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-2010559387595910359</id><published>2008-12-14T13:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:08:32.468-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shouldnt be on the list'/><title type='text'>Luc Debontridder / Belgian Weather Institute</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;Belgian weather institute’s (RMI) August 2007 study dismisses decisive role of CO2 in warming&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another one that shouldn't be on the list.&lt;br /&gt;See:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jules-klimaat.blogspot.com/2008/12/inhofes-650-list-misrepresents-belgian.html"&gt;http://jules-klimaat.blogspot.com/2008/12/inhofes-650-list-misrepresents-belgian.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-2010559387595910359?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/2010559387595910359/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/luc-debontridder-belgian-weather.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2010559387595910359'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/2010559387595910359'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/luc-debontridder-belgian-weather.html' title='Luc Debontridder / Belgian Weather Institute'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-5975898399694135555</id><published>2008-12-14T12:26:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:11:37.400-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shouldnt be on the list'/><title type='text'>Dr. Elwynn Taylor</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;"Iowa State Climatologist Dr. Elwynn Taylor, Professor of Meteorology at Iowa State University and a former project scientist with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, expressed skepticism of man-made climate fears."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites this article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=3177&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;page=all"&gt;http://ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=3177&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;page=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 rise part human caused and part natural (no specific proportions given)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;co2 is a greenhouse gas, and rising co2 will cause warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;noone knows how much of recent warming man has contributed.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;natural cycles have produced similar warming in the past and he finds it plausible they could explain recent warming.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;people are exaggerating manmade contribution to global warming when it isn't certain.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Exageration is bad because if man's contribution to global warming turns out to be less then people will feel misled and won't do anything.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We should take action to stop greenhouse gases rising because we're not really sure what it will do.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quote Mining&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The list quotes part of the article:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Taylor accepts that global warming is occurring. But he says the extent to which man is contributing to its acceleration is debatable...he says the popular theories floated by the likes of Al Gore may be slightly overcooked."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The ellipses are not part of the article. In fact the article reads (bold text is the part which the list has not quoted):&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Taylor accepts that global warming is occurring. But he says the extent to which man is contributing to its acceleration is debatable. &lt;strong&gt;That said, Taylor has obvious concerns about the probable effects of greenhouse gases contributing to the warming of the Earth's atmosphere, and hence triggering increasingly erratic weather.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is a lot of text following this before the rest of the list's quote. Here's where it picks back up, again bolded text is the parts of the article the list does not quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Taylor doesn't pretend to have all the answers, though, and&lt;/strong&gt; he says the popular theories floated by the likes of Al Gore may be slightly overcooked. "I think people are exaggerating the idea that all of the temperature change occurring on Earth is being caused by this," he says. "They shouldn't be saying that. Because pretty soon we could discover that these things are only partially true. And then people, feeling misled won't do anything.&lt;strong&gt; And in fact we should do something about this great change we're causing, if for no other reason than it's not a good idea to change the environment like this when we're not really sure what it will do.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quotes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"The growth of the hole has been curtailed because—and this is a vastly underrated example of global cooperation—human beings have stopped using the Freon gas that eats away at the protective atmospheric stratum"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;The point that Taylor makes with his ozone story is not, "Hey people, the ozone hole is our fault, so global warming probably is, too," but rather, "Hey people, human beings have cooperated and stopped the ozone hole from getting worse, so we just might be able to stop global warming from getting worse, too."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Taylor says he's not sure what the impact will ultimately be, but he's rather certain that serious checks need to be put in place immediately. "There's no question that carbon dioxide is up," he says. "There is little question that it is up substantially and it looks like human activity has about doubled the natural effect during the past couple of centuries. This is a significant thing. We probably shouldn't let our carbon dioxide balance continue to get off kilter like this."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"but what I do know is that we had a global cooling period from around the middle 1800s to around 1900, global warming from 1900 to around 1940, global cooling again from 1940 to 1972, and global warming since 1972. Thermometers have measured this for us."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Fifty years and half the polar ice sheet is gone," Taylor generalizes. "If it continues to melt at this rate you'll be able to sign up for a cruise to the North Pole in late summer 35 years from now."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-5975898399694135555?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/5975898399694135555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-elwynn-taylor.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/5975898399694135555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/5975898399694135555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-elwynn-taylor.html' title='Dr. Elwynn Taylor'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-7142840439704378717</id><published>2008-12-14T12:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:12:50.225-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shouldnt be on the list'/><title type='text'>Dr. Fred Ward</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;"Meteorologist Dr. Fred Ward, who earned his PhD in Meteorology from MIT and is a former meteorologist for Boston TV"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites this article Dr. Fred Ward authored:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fred+Ward%3A+Don" articleid="'33e3f3ed-335f-4899-9275-39dd358da7d9"&gt;http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fred+Ward%3A+Don&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is disputing a figure concerning the amount of warming in the New England over the past 30 years. He also mentions global cooling in the 70s, makes an argument against temperature proxies and argues not to use anecdotal weather events when temperature records are available.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However in a subsequent article dated April 2008 he writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"These data should not be interpreted to mean the globe, or New England, is not warming, or that we are not influencing the present and future climate. There are solid scientific reasons for expecting that adding CO2 to our atmosphere, by burning fossil fuels, will increase the global temperature."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fred+Ward%3a+New+England+winters+have+cooled+in+past+decade&amp;amp;articleId=7e9416bf-55e0-4ecd-8e1b-31a77446700f"&gt;http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fred+Ward%3a+New+England+winters+have+cooled+in+past+decade&amp;amp;articleId=7e9416bf-55e0-4ecd-8e1b-31a77446700f&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I would have to say his name on the 400 list (and I assume he'll be on the 650 list) is questionable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is even a comment by a skeptic on the 2nd article attacking Ward for thinking rising co2 causes warming:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Fred Ward is wrong about CO2. There is no physical process that would allow CO2 to affect temperature except to the extent that increasing CO2 increases plant growth which reduces solar heating because plants convert solar energy into the energy in the chemical bonds that hold complex carbon molecules together."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BIO info:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ph.D. in meteorology&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-7142840439704378717?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/7142840439704378717/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-fred-ward.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7142840439704378717'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/7142840439704378717'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-fred-ward.html' title='Dr. Fred Ward'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-1225277596911621626</id><published>2008-12-13T10:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T15:24:15.246-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human co2 is a tiny % of co2 emissions'/><title type='text'>Mike Thompson</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;"Chief Meteorologist Mike Thompson of Kansas City’s Fox TV Channel 4 is a former U.S. Navy meteorologist who holds the American Meteorological Society (AMS) Seal of Approval and is a certified Broadcast Meteorologist"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites an entry on his blog, although his comments in the comments section are more revealing:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://community.myfoxkc.com/blogs/wxteam4/2008/04/14/Not_Over_Yet"&gt;http://community.myfoxkc.com/blogs/wxteam4/2008/04/14/Not_Over_Yet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"There have been a number of scientists who have lost grant money simply because they had a dissenting voice over global warming"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The truth is that only 3.5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere comes from human sources"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The warming is coincident with the rise in solar irradiance since the mid 1850s"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"More and more climate scientists are admitting that the sun has played a major...if not the only...role in the warming that we have experienced"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"If you look at charts of CO2 content over the past centuries, you will find there were times when the CO2 concentrations were at or above 7,000 ppm"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Claims that "today we're at 360 ppm" co2.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The list claims "Thompson dissented from the view of a man-made climate crisis in 2008", yet a 2006 blog entry makes it clear he didn't accept manmade global warming back then either: &lt;a href="http://community.myfoxkc.com/blogs/wxteam4/2006/09/25/USING_SCIENCE_TO_SCARE"&gt;http://community.myfoxkc.com/blogs/wxteam4/2006/09/25/USING_SCIENCE_TO_SCARE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The 2006 blog entry contains a link to JunkScience.com, which (conicidentally?) contains the claim that only 3.5% of co2 emissions are human caused.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the 2006 blog entry he says "The key to understanding what is true, and what is not…is to take time to learn as much about the subject as possible. I cannot claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-1225277596911621626?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/1225277596911621626/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/mike-thompson.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1225277596911621626'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/1225277596911621626'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/mike-thompson.html' title='Mike Thompson'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-6310522063504338540</id><published>2008-12-13T10:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T15:37:28.088-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='It&apos;s the sun'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mars is warming'/><title type='text'>Richard Mourdock</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;"Geologist Richard Mourdock, a licensed professional geologist and former field geologist who now serves as an environmental and energy consultant"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The list cites this news article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://media.www.indianastatesman.com/media/storage/paper929/news/2008/04/25/Campus/Students.Meet.State.Treasurer-3349761.shtml"&gt;http://media.www.indianastatesman.com/media/storage/paper929/news/2008/04/25/Campus/Students.Meet.State.Treasurer-3349761.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only a small part of it contains Richard Mourdock's comments on global warming.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm"&gt;It's the sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm"&gt;Mars is warming&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"Mourdock explained that humans aren't the cause of global warming and that it's something bigger in the universe, such as the sun."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"Global caps in the last 15 years receded until last year on Mars, but what do we have in common with Mars? Last time I checked, only the sun."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"With a graduate degree in geology, Mourdock said his studies have convinced him that global warming is not happening."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BIO info:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.richardmourdock.com/aboutrichard.htm"&gt;http://www.richardmourdock.com/aboutrichard.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mourdock"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mourdock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;MSc in Geology, 1975&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;BSc in Natural Systems (combined degree in Biology, Geology, and Chemistry), 1973&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;He graduated in 1975 after which he moved through various roles:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Field geologist with a coal company.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Senior Geologist with an oil company.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Vice President of a coal company.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;President of a coal mining subsidiary.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"2001 to present", "Self-employed as a private consultant in the environmental and energy businesses"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-6310522063504338540?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/6310522063504338540/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/richard-mourdock.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6310522063504338540'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/6310522063504338540'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/richard-mourdock.html' title='Richard Mourdock'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2736975741493958321.post-428960633661544749</id><published>2008-12-13T09:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T15:14:33.399-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='imminent global cooling'/><title type='text'>Dr. Phil Chapman</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology),"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Inclusion on the list seems to be based on this April 23rd 2008 article he authored:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html"&gt;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arguments condensed:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;0.7C cooling since 2007&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We might be facing global cooling so should focus less on global warming&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Close correlation between variations in sunspot cycle and Earth's climate&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Doesn't mention the La Nina, possibly is unaware of it. This is probably the biggest weakness with the argument as it relies on the cause of the cooling being unknown and so potentially catastrophic.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Proposes a solution to global cooling: "We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Another solution which indicates he does accept the greenhouse effect: "We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Claims that "All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007", but this article was written in April 2008 and by then temperature in HadCRUT had already started rising again: &lt;a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2006"&gt;http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2006&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Claims "the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Prediction: "We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The article was rebutted by a following article by David Karoly:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23612876-11949,00.html"&gt;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23612876-11949,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BIO info:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Chapman"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Chapman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"From 1956 to 1957, he worked for Philips Electronics Industries Proprietary Limited in Sydney, Australia. He then spent 15 months in Antarctica with the Australian National Antarctic Research Expeditions (ANARE), for the International Geophysical Year (IGY) as an auroral/radio physicist. The work required that he spend most of the winter with one other man at a remote camp."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There do not appear to be any published papers or evidence of work in the field of climate since then.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2736975741493958321-428960633661544749?l=650list.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/feeds/428960633661544749/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-phil-chapman.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/428960633661544749'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2736975741493958321/posts/default/428960633661544749'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://650list.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-phil-chapman.html' title='Dr. Phil Chapman'/><author><name>Bob</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
